Comments on: Web 2.0 is Broken and Here’s Why http://profy.com/2007/07/01/web-20-is-broken-and-here-s-why/ Internet news and commentary Sat, 22 Nov 2008 00:12:22 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.5.1 By: Morpheus http://profy.com/2007/07/01/web-20-is-broken-and-here-s-why/#comment-492691 Morpheus Fri, 18 Apr 2008 06:58:07 +0000 http://profy.com/2007/07/01/web-20-is-broken-and-here-s-why/#comment-492691 Wake up Neo, The Matrix has you. I know exactly what you mean. Most industry people know that web 2.0 is just marketing. Most people have know Idea what's next (www.webkiller.net). - Now you know about the next generation of the internet that web 2.0 wish it could be. welcome to the first phase... Wake up Neo, The Matrix has you. I know exactly what you mean. Most industry people know that web 2.0 is just marketing. Most people have know Idea what’s next (www.webkiller.net). - Now you know about the next generation of the internet that web 2.0 wish it could be.

welcome to the first phase…

]]> By: Rudy http://profy.com/2007/07/01/web-20-is-broken-and-here-s-why/#comment-32813 Rudy Fri, 12 Oct 2007 18:23:28 +0000 http://profy.com/2007/07/01/web-20-is-broken-and-here-s-why/#comment-32813 There's garbage on both old-school Web and new Web. Good old fashion reading, comprehension, and common sense will give you what you need out of both formats. Personally I love the feedback that Web 2.0 promotes. There’s garbage on both old-school Web and new Web. Good old fashion reading, comprehension, and common sense will give you what you need out of both formats.

Personally I love the feedback that Web 2.0 promotes.

]]> By: BillyWarhol http://profy.com/2007/07/01/web-20-is-broken-and-here-s-why/#comment-25827 BillyWarhol Tue, 31 Jul 2007 05:33:17 +0000 http://profy.com/2007/07/01/web-20-is-broken-and-here-s-why/#comment-25827 I love that Poster too!! & i agree with Isabella that Digg makes ya do all this stoopid crap + personally i feel it's full of Web1.0 Wankers* However my first exposure to Web2.0 was Flickr - which to my mind is still the Shining Light of the Web2.0 Universe!! Fun + exciting + engaging compared to any old Web1.0 boring as all get out Corporate Websites* Which leads me to Bloggers - there is a lot of really c0ol Blogging going on!!!! do i wanna read boring old Newspapers or watch the Bachlorette on TV - well yeah but only if Trista or Stacey Keibler from Dancing with the Stars is on!! atanyrate thank god for Google + Firefox + all the small Web2.0 co.'s (many scooped by Yahoo!) for Freeing us all from the Shackles of Monopolistic Microsoft/POOP!! Cheers Everybody!! Billy ;)) Peace* I love that Poster too!!

& i agree with Isabella that Digg makes ya do all this stoopid crap + personally i feel it’s full of Web1.0 Wankers*

However my first exposure to Web2.0 was Flickr - which to my mind is still the Shining Light of the Web2.0 Universe!! Fun + exciting + engaging compared to any old Web1.0 boring as all get out Corporate Websites*

Which leads me to Bloggers - there is a lot of really c0ol Blogging going on!!!! do i wanna read boring old Newspapers or watch the Bachlorette on TV - well yeah but only if Trista or Stacey Keibler from Dancing with the Stars is on!!

atanyrate thank god for Google + Firefox + all the small Web2.0 co.’s (many scooped by Yahoo!) for Freeing us all from the Shackles of Monopolistic Microsoft/POOP!!

Cheers Everybody!! Billy ;))

Peace*

]]> By: sergioalb64 http://profy.com/2007/07/01/web-20-is-broken-and-here-s-why/#comment-24150 sergioalb64 Fri, 13 Jul 2007 23:32:35 +0000 http://profy.com/2007/07/01/web-20-is-broken-and-here-s-why/#comment-24150 With my limited knowledge of deep, sophisticated Internet aspects and concepts, it's hard for me to comment on either Web. However, this article made me think of the whole situation. The Internet is quickly becoming a tremendous topic of intensive study and endless possibilities; who knows what the future holds, but hopefully the right decisions are made to keep things as good as they can be. With my limited knowledge of deep, sophisticated Internet aspects and concepts, it’s hard for me to comment on either Web. However, this article made me think of the whole situation. The Internet is quickly becoming a tremendous topic of intensive study and endless possibilities; who knows what the future holds, but hopefully the right decisions are made to keep things as good as they can be.

]]> By: Lauren http://profy.com/2007/07/01/web-20-is-broken-and-here-s-why/#comment-23467 Lauren Fri, 06 Jul 2007 19:17:21 +0000 http://profy.com/2007/07/01/web-20-is-broken-and-here-s-why/#comment-23467 I am no expert on web 2.0 myself (kudos to all the naive and oblivious net users of my generation!), but a well articulated article. Go Kris! I am no expert on web 2.0 myself (kudos to all the naive and oblivious net users of my generation!), but a well articulated article. Go Kris!

]]> By: Matthew W. Wilson http://profy.com/2007/07/01/web-20-is-broken-and-here-s-why/#comment-23408 Matthew W. Wilson Fri, 06 Jul 2007 03:49:18 +0000 http://profy.com/2007/07/01/web-20-is-broken-and-here-s-why/#comment-23408 Some excellent considerations offered here, although I feel that your diss on "pre-pubescent diaries" might be a little hasty. Isn't the point (or points) of pomoism to break with the singularity of (mainstream) media and create spaces for these multiple voices. That, and these texts make excellent dissertation topics (see Danah Boyd, http://www.danah.org/)! Some excellent considerations offered here, although I feel that your diss on “pre-pubescent diaries” might be a little hasty. Isn’t the point (or points) of pomoism to break with the singularity of (mainstream) media and create spaces for these multiple voices. That, and these texts make excellent dissertation topics (see Danah Boyd, http://www.danah.org/)!

]]> By: Bryan http://profy.com/2007/07/01/web-20-is-broken-and-here-s-why/#comment-23187 Bryan Wed, 04 Jul 2007 08:56:28 +0000 http://profy.com/2007/07/01/web-20-is-broken-and-here-s-why/#comment-23187 Tailored news is as scary as a hoard of home-schooled kids from Arkansas trying not to "sell you anything". I think this article really articulates how web 2.o provides an opiate for the masses, requiring self-analysis, self-diagnosis, self-medication, and self-enclosure. It especially reveals how this self is becoming an iconic blur of marketing, cliques, and homeostatic ideologies, given that deviation from answer a or answer b results in systematic exclusion. Well written, and yes, web 2.0 blows. Tailored news is as scary as a hoard of home-schooled kids from Arkansas trying not to “sell you anything”. I think this article really articulates how web 2.o provides an opiate for the masses, requiring self-analysis, self-diagnosis, self-medication, and self-enclosure. It especially reveals how this self is becoming an iconic blur of marketing, cliques, and homeostatic ideologies, given that deviation from answer a or answer b results in systematic exclusion. Well written, and yes, web 2.0 blows.

]]> By: petey http://profy.com/2007/07/01/web-20-is-broken-and-here-s-why/#comment-23176 petey Wed, 04 Jul 2007 06:33:57 +0000 http://profy.com/2007/07/01/web-20-is-broken-and-here-s-why/#comment-23176 Too. Many. Big. Words.... I like that Soviet propaganda picture though, I think it captures the Digg Army nicely. Too. Many. Big. Words….

I like that Soviet propaganda picture though, I think it captures the Digg Army nicely.

]]> By: Dr. Hilarius http://profy.com/2007/07/01/web-20-is-broken-and-here-s-why/#comment-23167 Dr. Hilarius Wed, 04 Jul 2007 00:11:02 +0000 http://profy.com/2007/07/01/web-20-is-broken-and-here-s-why/#comment-23167 David's comments suggest revisiting the short but dense Situationist tract, Society of the Spectacle. Written pre-internet, it recognized the ability of capitalist consumerism to incorporate everything, including overtly anti-capitalist doctrines, into its world view. In particular SOC recognized that modern humans increasingly interact with images rather than directly with the world and these images become the world. "The spectacle is not a collection of images but a social relation among people mediated by images." The internet has been promoted as an agent of mass participation and democracy but increasingly is just another vehicle for homogenization. While it allows geographically separated individuals to connect over shared interests (no fetish too rare for its own site/community), these little pockets of formerly transgressive activity are now just another set of images to be viewed. The problem is not with the precise structure of the medium but our relationship to the medium. Does the ability to create virtual worlds erode the motivation to preserve the actual world? For many people I believe it does. Why bother with real penguins when there are animated ones right on your screen? I must stop now before real depression sets in. David’s comments suggest revisiting the short but dense Situationist tract, Society of the Spectacle. Written pre-internet, it recognized the ability of capitalist consumerism to incorporate everything, including overtly anti-capitalist doctrines, into its world view.

In particular SOC recognized that modern humans increasingly interact with images rather than directly with the world and these images become the world. “The spectacle is not a collection of images but a social relation among people mediated by images.” The internet has been promoted as an agent of mass participation and democracy but increasingly is just another vehicle for homogenization. While it allows geographically separated individuals to connect over shared interests (no fetish too rare for its own site/community), these little pockets of formerly transgressive activity are now just another set of images to be viewed.

The problem is not with the precise structure of the medium but our relationship to the medium. Does the ability to create virtual worlds erode the motivation to preserve the actual world? For many people I believe it does. Why bother with real penguins when there are animated ones right on your screen?

I must stop now before real depression sets in.

]]> By: David http://profy.com/2007/07/01/web-20-is-broken-and-here-s-why/#comment-23156 David Tue, 03 Jul 2007 22:13:23 +0000 http://profy.com/2007/07/01/web-20-is-broken-and-here-s-why/#comment-23156 In the spirit of full disclosure, soon to be Dr. Erickson is a friend and part of my grad school cohort (albeit rather more successful at it). That said, this is a topic of some interest to me and one that I have been following, with varying levels of attentiveness, for some time. Had I never heard of him I would still have taken the time to read a similar piece. The remark about Web 1.0 (of course only retrospectively so dubbed or recognized)is very relevant to the state of 2.0 and a host of related and intertwined issues, Net Neutrality not the least of them. It is almost reflexive for geographers and other social scientists to dismiss so-called technological determinism whenever new technologically mediated systems rear their ugly/interesting/shiny/cute heads. And indeed, 1.0 for a few years represented a blissful state wherein users were bending the medium(s)/technologies in ways not necessarily intended or foreseen. But late-stage commodity capitalism excels at extracting and assigning exchange value — directly or indirectly — to literally anything (including, literally, the virtual). The host of software technologies and protocols that make up 2.0 is no exception. Indeed, 2.0 stikes me as being as much a hopeful marketing term for a bunch of computer mediated devices, programs and services thrown at consumers in the hope that something will stick. Turning it into a set of enabling technologies for a robust public sphere is probably a long shot at this point. Which isn't to say that we shouldn't and won't try. Computer mediated communication (using communication in a very broad and catholic sense) has permeated large swaths of life for a great number of people at a seemingly dizzying pace. But it is still in its infancy. It won't be easy and it will require vigilance and constant tinkering to come up with something that will work within the systems without being hopelessly suborned by them. It will be in fits and starts. Stuff like this piece represents a start. Use the technology systems, question the technology systems. In the spirit of full disclosure, soon to be Dr. Erickson is a friend and part of my grad school cohort (albeit rather more successful at it). That said, this is a topic of some interest to me and one that I have been following, with varying levels of attentiveness, for some time. Had I never heard of him I would still have taken the time to read a similar piece.

The remark about Web 1.0 (of course only retrospectively so dubbed or recognized)is very relevant to the state of 2.0 and a host of related and intertwined issues, Net Neutrality not the least of them. It is almost reflexive for geographers and other social scientists to dismiss so-called technological determinism whenever new technologically mediated systems rear their ugly/interesting/shiny/cute heads. And indeed, 1.0 for a few years represented a blissful state wherein users were bending the medium(s)/technologies in ways not necessarily intended or foreseen.

But late-stage commodity capitalism excels at extracting and assigning exchange value — directly or indirectly — to literally anything (including, literally, the virtual). The host of software technologies and protocols that make up 2.0 is no exception. Indeed, 2.0 stikes me as being as much a hopeful marketing term for a bunch of computer mediated devices, programs and services thrown at consumers in the hope that something will stick. Turning it into a set of enabling technologies for a robust public sphere is probably a long shot at this point.

Which isn’t to say that we shouldn’t and won’t try. Computer mediated communication (using communication in a very broad and catholic sense) has permeated large swaths of life for a great number of people at a seemingly dizzying pace. But it is still in its infancy. It won’t be easy and it will require vigilance and constant tinkering to come up with something that will work within the systems without being hopelessly suborned by them. It will be in fits and starts. Stuff like this piece represents a start. Use the technology systems, question the technology systems.

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