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	<title>Comments on: Shine Launches: Where Is a REAL Women&#8217;s Site?</title>
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	<pubDate>Wed, 08 Oct 2008 00:12:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: e watt</title>
		<link>http://profy.com/2008/03/31/shine-launches/#comment-780141</link>
		<dc:creator>e watt</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 11 Jun 2008 18:16:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I liked the old Yahoo horoscope format much better.
This format takes me more time and it sucks bad!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I liked the old Yahoo horoscope format much better.<br />
This format takes me more time and it sucks bad!</p>
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		<title>By: Cyndy Aleo-Carreira</title>
		<link>http://profy.com/2008/03/31/shine-launches/#comment-424961</link>
		<dc:creator>Cyndy Aleo-Carreira</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 01 Apr 2008 16:54:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sam, you really think tech isn't marketed differently depending on gender?? Take a look at Apple's iPod line, which is the most glaring example. The cutesy little iPods (Shuffle and Nano) come in colors, and most of them a guy wouldn't be caught dead carrying. Lavender? Pink? Those are the girlie iPods, and if you want a Classic, you are choosing between white and black. I don't see Alienware offering a pink case, but Dell offers a pink laptop.

The problem that I have is that anything called "women's" dumbs it down, assuming that's what the masses of women need and want. Rolling Stone is a music magazine with a mostly male reader base, and it includes political commentary as well as articles on current events and issues. Same with Playboy (and yes, I've actually read it). Meanwhile, Vogue scuttled a Hillary Clinton cover because they wanted to dress HRC up like a model in a foofy dress and Hillary wasn't having it; she wanted her trademark suit.

I've written about women in tech before (http://profy.com/2008/03/22/girl-tech/). There's a madonna/whore pigeonholing in effect that you don't see with men. Shine is just one more example of it. Why on earth would they leave out current events and politics, yet expect me to use it as a portal complete with blog and email? It's a glaring omission that is only seen when you get into a gender-themed site.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sam, you really think tech isn&#8217;t marketed differently depending on gender?? Take a look at Apple&#8217;s iPod line, which is the most glaring example. The cutesy little iPods (Shuffle and Nano) come in colors, and most of them a guy wouldn&#8217;t be caught dead carrying. Lavender? Pink? Those are the girlie iPods, and if you want a Classic, you are choosing between white and black. I don&#8217;t see Alienware offering a pink case, but Dell offers a pink laptop.</p>
<p>The problem that I have is that anything called &#8220;women&#8217;s&#8221; dumbs it down, assuming that&#8217;s what the masses of women need and want. Rolling Stone is a music magazine with a mostly male reader base, and it includes political commentary as well as articles on current events and issues. Same with Playboy (and yes, I&#8217;ve actually read it). Meanwhile, Vogue scuttled a Hillary Clinton cover because they wanted to dress HRC up like a model in a foofy dress and Hillary wasn&#8217;t having it; she wanted her trademark suit.</p>
<p>I&#8217;ve written about women in tech before (http://profy.com/2008/03/22/girl-tech/). There&#8217;s a madonna/whore pigeonholing in effect that you don&#8217;t see with men. Shine is just one more example of it. Why on earth would they leave out current events and politics, yet expect me to use it as a portal complete with blog and email? It&#8217;s a glaring omission that is only seen when you get into a gender-themed site.</p>
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		<title>By: Sam B</title>
		<link>http://profy.com/2008/03/31/shine-launches/#comment-424901</link>
		<dc:creator>Sam B</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 01 Apr 2008 16:35:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This is not a woman-only problem. Think "men's magazine" and you think FHM, Maxim, Nuts - soft porn, short reviews of movies in which things blow up, and interviews with participants in the above. You don't think about magazines about PC Gamer or Motorbikes Weekly, which men also generally read, because magazines like that are generally called "games magazines" or "motorbike magazines". They're not called "men's magazines" because they actually have some intelligent subject matter, and the purpose of a definition is to describe the subject matter. A description like "men's magazine" or "women's magazine" essentially tells you nothing. Taken literally, it is a magazine that men or women would enjoy, which could be, well, everything - and this in turn indicates that there is nothing to describe.

Quite frankly, I don't believe there's any such thing as "woman's tech coverage" or for that matter "man's tech coverage". There is no such thing as a man's iPod and a woman's iPod - we both have the same kinds of auditory organs and the software and hardware in our iPods is identical (even if the paint job is different). There's no such thing as a man's dual-core processor or a woman's solar panel either. Tech is about, well, technology, and possibly finance. Chromosomes only come into it if it's an article about genetic testing.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This is not a woman-only problem. Think &#8220;men&#8217;s magazine&#8221; and you think FHM, Maxim, Nuts - soft porn, short reviews of movies in which things blow up, and interviews with participants in the above. You don&#8217;t think about magazines about PC Gamer or Motorbikes Weekly, which men also generally read, because magazines like that are generally called &#8220;games magazines&#8221; or &#8220;motorbike magazines&#8221;. They&#8217;re not called &#8220;men&#8217;s magazines&#8221; because they actually have some intelligent subject matter, and the purpose of a definition is to describe the subject matter. A description like &#8220;men&#8217;s magazine&#8221; or &#8220;women&#8217;s magazine&#8221; essentially tells you nothing. Taken literally, it is a magazine that men or women would enjoy, which could be, well, everything - and this in turn indicates that there is nothing to describe.</p>
<p>Quite frankly, I don&#8217;t believe there&#8217;s any such thing as &#8220;woman&#8217;s tech coverage&#8221; or for that matter &#8220;man&#8217;s tech coverage&#8221;. There is no such thing as a man&#8217;s iPod and a woman&#8217;s iPod - we both have the same kinds of auditory organs and the software and hardware in our iPods is identical (even if the paint job is different). There&#8217;s no such thing as a man&#8217;s dual-core processor or a woman&#8217;s solar panel either. Tech is about, well, technology, and possibly finance. Chromosomes only come into it if it&#8217;s an article about genetic testing.</p>
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		<title>By: Cyndy Aleo-Carreira</title>
		<link>http://profy.com/2008/03/31/shine-launches/#comment-424061</link>
		<dc:creator>Cyndy Aleo-Carreira</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 01 Apr 2008 12:37:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Sally I'll try to check it out.

@Nathania If the argument is that they are only covering what "all" women are interested in, they seriously missed the mark anyway. Horoscopes are more thoughful? The 100 Unsexiest Men is thoughtful? "Is Kate Moss too old to model?" is more thoughtul?

This mentality assumes that women, or the majority of them, have no interest in world news or politics, which everyone SHOULD follow. And this is Yahoo, not some start-up, and the majority of what they are doing is aggregating existing content, not reinventing the wheel. Starting the site out with a category for my horoscope but NOTHING about politics or business or world news is an epic fail in my book. You only have one chance to make a first impression, and Shine missed by a mile. If I wanted fashion and beauty and dieting tips, there are already 100 sites out there doing it with original content. As it launched, I find it demeaning, insipid, and just downright insulting.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Sally I&#8217;ll try to check it out.</p>
<p>@Nathania If the argument is that they are only covering what &#8220;all&#8221; women are interested in, they seriously missed the mark anyway. Horoscopes are more thoughful? The 100 Unsexiest Men is thoughtful? &#8220;Is Kate Moss too old to model?&#8221; is more thoughtul?</p>
<p>This mentality assumes that women, or the majority of them, have no interest in world news or politics, which everyone SHOULD follow. And this is Yahoo, not some start-up, and the majority of what they are doing is aggregating existing content, not reinventing the wheel. Starting the site out with a category for my horoscope but NOTHING about politics or business or world news is an epic fail in my book. You only have one chance to make a first impression, and Shine missed by a mile. If I wanted fashion and beauty and dieting tips, there are already 100 sites out there doing it with original content. As it launched, I find it demeaning, insipid, and just downright insulting.</p>
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		<title>By: Nathania - Social Media Butterfly</title>
		<link>http://profy.com/2008/03/31/shine-launches/#comment-424001</link>
		<dc:creator>Nathania - Social Media Butterfly</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 01 Apr 2008 12:24:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I disagree. What I've read on Shine so far is much more thoughtful than most of the fluff I read on so-called women's sites. 

They've only been going for one day! And though some of us work in industries where we follow tech and business, not all women do.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I disagree. What I&#8217;ve read on Shine so far is much more thoughtful than most of the fluff I read on so-called women&#8217;s sites. </p>
<p>They&#8217;ve only been going for one day! And though some of us work in industries where we follow tech and business, not all women do.</p>
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		<title>By: Shine Launches: Where is a REAL Women&#8217;s Site? &#124; Cyndy Aleo-Carreira &#124; Voices &#124; AllThingsD</title>
		<link>http://profy.com/2008/03/31/shine-launches/#comment-423061</link>
		<dc:creator>Shine Launches: Where is a REAL Women&#8217;s Site? &#124; Cyndy Aleo-Carreira &#124; Voices &#124; AllThingsD</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 01 Apr 2008 07:00:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Read the rest of this post   Print  all_things_di220:http://voices.allthingsd.com/20080401/aleo-carreira/  Sphere Comment  Tagged: Cyndy Aleo-Carreira, Profy.com, portal, Shine, Voices, Yahoo &#124; permalink [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] Read the rest of this post   Print  all_things_di220:http://voices.allthingsd.com/20080401/aleo-carreira/  Sphere Comment  Tagged: Cyndy Aleo-Carreira, Profy.com, portal, Shine, Voices, Yahoo | permalink [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Sally Wu</title>
		<link>http://profy.com/2008/03/31/shine-launches/#comment-421561</link>
		<dc:creator>Sally Wu</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 31 Mar 2008 21:21:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I can't believe there isn't even a tech section.  It IS a website, afterall.  I just posted to my blog about them, too... http://webpoet.wordpress.com/2008/03/31/superfluous/

Let me know what you think.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I can&#8217;t believe there isn&#8217;t even a tech section.  It IS a website, afterall.  I just posted to my blog about them, too&#8230; <a href="http://webpoet.wordpress.com/2008/03/31/superfluous/" rel="nofollow">http://webpoet.wordpress.com/2008/03/31/superfluous/</a></p>
<p>Let me know what you think.</p>
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		<title>By: Yakov</title>
		<link>http://profy.com/2008/03/31/shine-launches/#comment-421491</link>
		<dc:creator>Yakov</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 31 Mar 2008 21:02:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Its site search needs replacement, for sure</description>
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		<title>By: You&#8217;ve Come a Long Way, Jerry. &#124; John Paczkowski &#124; Digital Daily &#124; AllThingsD</title>
		<link>http://profy.com/2008/03/31/shine-launches/#comment-421371</link>
		<dc:creator>You&#8217;ve Come a Long Way, Jerry. &#124; John Paczkowski &#124; Digital Daily &#124; AllThingsD</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 31 Mar 2008 20:22:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Sure does. That said, Yahoo&#8211;or Microsoft (MSFT), as the case may be&#8211;does have its work cut out for it. It&#8217;s got some formidable competitors and despite attracting 40 million monthly female visitors, its properties ranked sixth among health, fitness and nutrition sites and seventh in food and cooking, and did not hit the top 10 sites for apparel and beauty, according to Nielsen Online. Will Shine perform any better. Blogger Cyndy Aleo-Carreira doesn&#8217;t seem to think so. &#8220;While I admit I had no hopes whatsoever for Shine, I&#8217;m disappointed nonetheless,&#8221; she writes. &#8220;I refuse to believe that in 2008 horoscopes are still a huge talking point for women. It&#8217;s depressing to look at the topics on Shine. There is no tech news. No business section or science topics, unless you count dieting tips and an article concerning whether chocolate is good for you. No political conversations or world news or global issues. But two clicks bring me to &#8220;10 ways to attract women, according to guys.&#8221;   Print  all_things_di220:http://digitaldaily.allthingsd.com/20080331/shine/  Sphere Comment &#124; Kara has a related opinion Tagged: Shine, John Paczkowski, Yahoo, Digital Daily &#124; permalink [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] Sure does. That said, Yahoo&#8211;or Microsoft (MSFT), as the case may be&#8211;does have its work cut out for it. It&#8217;s got some formidable competitors and despite attracting 40 million monthly female visitors, its properties ranked sixth among health, fitness and nutrition sites and seventh in food and cooking, and did not hit the top 10 sites for apparel and beauty, according to Nielsen Online. Will Shine perform any better. Blogger Cyndy Aleo-Carreira doesn&#8217;t seem to think so. &#8220;While I admit I had no hopes whatsoever for Shine, I&#8217;m disappointed nonetheless,&#8221; she writes. &#8220;I refuse to believe that in 2008 horoscopes are still a huge talking point for women. It&#8217;s depressing to look at the topics on Shine. There is no tech news. No business section or science topics, unless you count dieting tips and an article concerning whether chocolate is good for you. No political conversations or world news or global issues. But two clicks bring me to &#8220;10 ways to attract women, according to guys.&#8221;   Print  all_things_di220:http://digitaldaily.allthingsd.com/20080331/shine/  Sphere Comment | Kara has a related opinion Tagged: Shine, John Paczkowski, Yahoo, Digital Daily | permalink [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Leslie Poston</title>
		<link>http://profy.com/2008/03/31/shine-launches/#comment-421311</link>
		<dc:creator>Leslie Poston</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 31 Mar 2008 20:12:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I'm sick of sites for specific genders, period, but this does seem even more terrible than most. Nice post.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m sick of sites for specific genders, period, but this does seem even more terrible than most. Nice post.</p>
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